RAK1 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 When do we get the original text? I´m so curious to read the whole thing Apparently there have been technical difficulties. So hopefully soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Apparently there have been technical difficulties. So hopefully soon. But hopefully not Mikasoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenowl Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 But hopefully not Mikasoon Seems it is mikasoon! I want to read it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttonslovesu Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 So any news on the English version in site yet:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiaIchihara Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Here it is. @mikasounds and his column for @LaRepubblicaXL. This month: USA and how its appeal changed. http://videodrome-xl.blogautore.repubblica.it/2013/04/15/mika-pop-up-xl-85-english-version/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C. Tyler Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Here it is. @mikasounds and his column for @LaRepubblicaXL. This month: USA and how its appeal changed. http://videodrome-xl.blogautore.repubblica.it/2013/04/15/mika-pop-up-xl-85-english-version/ YAY! Although we had a summary, it's still nice to see the words in whole as he wrote them! And great accompanying artwork as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamiam Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 YAY! Although we had a summary, it's still nice to see the words in whole as he wrote them! And great accompanying artwork as always. Yes, really great article - with artwork by MIKAs sister! Love,love me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamy_Queen Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 It was really interesting to read another point of view about America (especially from Mika!) After the end of Soviet Union America considered to be a Heaven on Earth, and common people's dream was to visit this magnificent country. It was like an obsession. It was so intense among the mob and the media, that I became fed up with it, and it's hard to break these feelings now. So, for me Mika's article is very positive and beneficial. And, of course, I enjoy his funny or provocative articles the same way as I enjoy his thought-out and serious works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn Mastin Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Mika's article is great as usual. It's a very balanced view of the USA and I agree with what he says. Well done Mika! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stelly78 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I love the article, very interesting!! Thanks BiaIchihara:blush-anim-cl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I haven't lived in Europe since prior to 9/11 so I can't really say whether attitudes are changing there or not but I am not so sure that anything he's mentioned here is due to humility of the Americans. Call me cynical but I suspect it's all about self interest - on the part of his friends who are now struggling to see a bright future for themselves because the European economy is in the toilet and on the part of Americans who don't want to foot the bill for these wars due to their own economic woes. Having a black or Latino president gives an appearance of social change but Obama's policies are just as conservative as Ronald Reagan's. The US has shifted so far to the right that to be a liberal now is really not liberal at all. The compromises the Democrats have made on issues like healthcare and gun control would be viewed as extremely right wing in Canada, the UK and I'm sure many European countries. I don't think Team America is a good example of changing attitudes because it was quite subversive and I'm sure many found it offensive (or they would have had they actually seen it). It was made quite a few years ago and yet last year's Oscar winner Argo was an overt piece of propaganda that totally downplayed (well denied) Canadian involvement in the freeing of the Iran hostages and painted all Iranians as savage radicals. From my point of view I do see that liberals are becoming more of a majority and more vocal in the US but I don't think the causes of negative American stereotypes were swept away with the election of a black president and the creation of Family Guy. Perhaps it is the Europeans who have been humbled in realizing that they are not so superior to Americans even with their faults. Every country has its problems but people are going to be drawn to wherever they think they can thrive economically. It was easy for rich Brits to look down their noses at Americans in the Cool Britannia heydey of the 1990s but perhaps not so much now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mer Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) MIKA i like all you write so much... specilly this .... It’s hard to view America in definitive terms anymore. In the past it was portrayed as good in a fight against an evil Soviet Union and even post 9/11 George Bush labelled America’s opponents as an “Axis of Evil”. Such characterisations appear far too simplistic to most people, and those who speak in blindingly positive terms about America are viewed as ignorant cow-boys. An equal measure of pride and being self-defacing are what is most fashionable now. Looking at film and TV, from Team America to Family Guy, the US seems to be OK with making fun of itself. It’s hard to think of any American TV shows in the 80s that ever did that. A new “Brand America” is being sold to us, whether it’s in speeches by Obama or in episodes of Homeland, as a country that can admit its blunders and is striving to make good on them. This humbled, but as a result wiser, America like a prodigal son, is being accepted by the rest of world once more. In many ways this re-branding is actually just a return to older values – the ability to adapt and improve oneself is at the core of the “American Dream”. It’s clear to me that America will look very different over the next couple of decades – for example I expect to see a Latino president within my lifetime – but if its central beliefs manage not to be clouded by arrogance again then it will continue to attract people to its shores in the same way it drew my grandfather from Syria in the 1930s. It's hard to understand how Americans show their hand just fantastic and attractive. As your mind a bit childish, or someone ... thinking Aries horoscope afford to live in luxury. But this is not only not true, sometimes we disappoint the reality of USA, but emigration is pretty it is very hard. MIKA's why I'd like more sincerity and more than somebody who traveled as much as you. I hope you do not mind the terrorist attacks Chicago Marathon. and that's what I'm talking about your personal and family anecdotes. No matter if you are Lebanese or American or live in East MEDLEY. For the last this video in spanish of other Miguel for to Relax my conversation- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7hQla9kcdw from a Sevilla no like me. i prefer i´m Air without you Sire soy mix.vid How tragic or attack .. in http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50144928n or forced emigration of Syrians to much poorer sites by War. Edited April 16, 2013 by mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nas Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I haven't lived in Europe since prior to 9/11 so I can't really say whether attitudes are changing there or not but I am not so sure that anything he's mentioned here is due to humility of the Americans. Call me cynical but I suspect it's all about self interest - on the part of his friends who are now struggling to see a bright future for themselves because the European economy is in the toilet and on the part of Americans who don't want to foot the bill for these wars due to their own economic woes. agree esp with the bolded part...it's interesting really, in some ways I think the opposite of what he said - growing up- the US and esp LA- was a place i couldn't wait to visit! Having seen countless movies and read books indirectly espousing american liberalness, i thought it would be a fantastic place, but the Bush era severely disillusioned me (or maybe i just came out of my bubble ) and it's only now the US is staring to regain some of its shine for me - largely because of new york... i waited to comment on this article because i wanted to read it in English before i formed an opinion...it's not one of my favorite columns, not necessarily because of the content (though that contributes) but I think his writing here is a bit uninspired and lacklustre..sorry mika! but it's good i guess that he doesn't put out magnificent pieces every time - gives me hope for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreacher Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) agree esp with the bolded part...it's interesting really, in some ways I think the opposite of what he said - growing up- the US and esp LA- was a place i couldn't wait to visit! Having seen countless movies and read books indirectly espousing american liberalness, i thought it would be a fantastic place, but the Bush era severely disillusioned me (or maybe i just came out of my bubble ) and it's only now the US is staring to regain some of its shine for me - largely because of new york... i waited to comment on this article because i wanted to read it in English before i formed an opinion...it's not one of my favorite columns, not necessarily because of the content (though that contributes) but I think his writing here is a bit uninspired and lacklustre..sorry mika! but it's good i guess that he doesn't put out magnificent pieces every time - gives me hope for me i didn't wanna be the first to say it knowing him, he was rushed to finish but that's not really anything new so maybe he wasn't rushed this time & that's what's different EDIT: i should add that it's still much better than anything i could write phahahaha Edited April 16, 2013 by kreacher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I guess no one edits the English version which is unfortunate. I'm sure an editor would have corrected things like "self-defacing". I do find it interesting to hear his thoughts on the US though. He has always distanced himself from it and I never understood it. I guess he was dealing with that prejudice from his peers in the UK but obviously it could have only helped him in the US to embrace his American roots. Especially when the alternative is identifying as someone from the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Welcomes Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I guess no one edits the English version which is unfortunate. I'm sure an editor would have corrected things like "self-defacing". I do find it interesting to hear his thoughts on the US though. He has always distanced himself from it and I never understood it. I guess he was dealing with that prejudice from his peers in the UK but obviously it could have only helped him in the US to embrace his American roots. Especially when the alternative is identifying as someone from the Middle East. I was confused translating this freaky term into Russian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I was confused translating this freaky term into Russian. It should be self-effacing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcdeb Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 It should be self-effacing. Are you sure? Haven't you seen the way I write all over myself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Are you sure? Haven't you seen the way I write all over myself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiaIchihara Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Sorry for being off-''conversation about Mika's collumn'', but will this thread have a part 2 since this one has already reached the 4000 posts??? :fisch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I guess no one edits the English version which is unfortunate. I'm sure an editor would have corrected things like "self-defacing". Not to mention "finical" instead of "financial", "loosing" instead of "losing", and commas scattered with gay abandon. :mf_rosetinted:That's "gay" in its original sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertina Posted April 17, 2013 Author Share Posted April 17, 2013 Sorry for being off-''conversation about Mika's collumn'', but will this thread have a part 2 since this one has already reached the 4000 posts??? :fisch: new thread! http://www.mikafanclub.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3900177#post3900177 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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